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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6495</link>
		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been watching forecasts all week in order to write these posts. I can assure you they were delivered in absolutes. I&#039;m not mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been watching forecasts all week in order to write these posts. I can assure you they were delivered in absolutes. I&#8217;m not mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6493</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just actually watched a weather forecast for the first time in ages, on the BBC. It was exemplary. It was actually full of all the &quot;probably&quot;s and &quot;chance of&quot;s that we were both thinking weren&#039;t there. 

So no, they don&#039;t speak in absolutes at all. Though I still think they may as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just actually watched a weather forecast for the first time in ages, on the BBC. It was exemplary. It was actually full of all the &#8220;probably&#8221;s and &#8220;chance of&#8221;s that we were both thinking weren&#8217;t there. </p>
<p>So no, they don&#8217;t speak in absolutes at all. Though I still think they may as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, the forceast was accurate, you just had the map upside down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the forceast was accurate, you just had the map upside down.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6490</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can all agree that this picture is very pretty:

http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/2010007-0107/GreatBritain.A2010007.1150.1km.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all agree that this picture is very pretty:</p>
<p><a href="http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/2010007-0107/GreatBritain.A2010007.1150.1km.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/gallery/2010007-0107/GreatBritain.A2010007.1150.1km.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: coyote</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6488</link>
		<dc:creator>coyote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;near future&#039; not neat future.

Although I hope we can all share in the dream of a neat future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;near future&#8217; not neat future.</p>
<p>Although I hope we can all share in the dream of a neat future.</p>
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		<title>By: coyote</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6487</link>
		<dc:creator>coyote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, John, you&#039;re a mental. The weather forecast is a large group of well qualified meteorologists best interpretation of the neat future patterns of a massive amount of data based on a chaotic system. It&#039;s not one psychic weatherman on the telly fleecing us with made up guesses. To expect either 100% accurate predictions or abject apologies when those predictions aren&#039;t completely accurate exposes you as a scientifically ignorant dundapate.

Anyway you got your snow. Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, John, you&#8217;re a mental. The weather forecast is a large group of well qualified meteorologists best interpretation of the neat future patterns of a massive amount of data based on a chaotic system. It&#8217;s not one psychic weatherman on the telly fleecing us with made up guesses. To expect either 100% accurate predictions or abject apologies when those predictions aren&#8217;t completely accurate exposes you as a scientifically ignorant dundapate.</p>
<p>Anyway you got your snow. Have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they provide AN HOUR BY HOUR PREDICTION.&quot;

Which everyone except you seems to know how to interpret. If you understand what a statistical prediction is, you&#039;re fine with it - and you can go to the next level of detail and get those probabilities if it&#039;s important to you.

And if you&#039;re, you know, folk, you just hear a best guess. &quot;It&#039;s going to snow, more or less, sometime soon.&quot;

&quot;They speak in absolute statements&quot;

So you&#039;re now one of those people who thinks every sentence should be tediously qualified with &quot;in my opinion&quot; and concluded with &quot;but that may change&quot;.

No, the weather forecast is a convenient way of presenting a big bunch of uncertainty. Its job is to tell you whether to pack an umbrella. If you expect more than that (and of course you don&#039;t), you&#039;re an idiot.

&quot;The Met Office boasts their accuracy readily, and the data is never, ever presented as a “best guess”.&quot;

Just go one level of complexity and you&#039;ll see percentages. And accuracy that&#039;s measured by how close they are - not &quot;we failed because it didn&#039;t rain at 10 but at noon&quot;.

&quot;And no, they predicted very bad snow, the worst ever. The snow arrived about 200m to the East, 12 hours later, and that which reached Bath was mild. So no, nothing they said was correct.&quot;

Oh, that&#039;s the one that&#039;s driving me mad today. &quot;They say it&#039;s the worst snow ever, well I can&#039;t see it....&quot; They predicted the worst snow ever *where*? Over the whole country. And it&#039;s been pretty bad, in general, hasn&#039;t it?

Oh, I&#039;m probably just cross because I got stranded in Basingstoke two weeks ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they provide AN HOUR BY HOUR PREDICTION.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which everyone except you seems to know how to interpret. If you understand what a statistical prediction is, you&#8217;re fine with it &#8211; and you can go to the next level of detail and get those probabilities if it&#8217;s important to you.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re, you know, folk, you just hear a best guess. &#8220;It&#8217;s going to snow, more or less, sometime soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They speak in absolute statements&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re now one of those people who thinks every sentence should be tediously qualified with &#8220;in my opinion&#8221; and concluded with &#8220;but that may change&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, the weather forecast is a convenient way of presenting a big bunch of uncertainty. Its job is to tell you whether to pack an umbrella. If you expect more than that (and of course you don&#8217;t), you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Met Office boasts their accuracy readily, and the data is never, ever presented as a “best guess”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just go one level of complexity and you&#8217;ll see percentages. And accuracy that&#8217;s measured by how close they are &#8211; not &#8220;we failed because it didn&#8217;t rain at 10 but at noon&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;And no, they predicted very bad snow, the worst ever. The snow arrived about 200m to the East, 12 hours later, and that which reached Bath was mild. So no, nothing they said was correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s the one that&#8217;s driving me mad today. &#8220;They say it&#8217;s the worst snow ever, well I can&#8217;t see it&#8230;.&#8221; They predicted the worst snow ever *where*? Over the whole country. And it&#8217;s been pretty bad, in general, hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m probably just cross because I got stranded in Basingstoke two weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2010/01/06/weather-those-results-in-full/comment-page-1/#comment-6479</link>
		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, they provide AN HOUR BY HOUR PREDICTION. And I&#039;m sick and tired of people claiming they don&#039;t profess to be accurate. They speak in absolute statements, and never retract their mistakes, which are most of the things they say. The Met Office boasts their accuracy readily, and the data is never, ever presented as a &quot;best guess&quot;.

Do you think weather reports only exist as a small picture on the back of a newspaper?

And no, they predicted very bad snow, the worst ever. The snow arrived about 200m to the East, 12 hours later, and that which reached Bath was mild. So no, nothing they said was correct. I predict it will rain one day in the future. Am I a weatherman now?

Re the quote that confuses you. The Met Office&#039;s information explained that heavy snow had been falling for two hours in the past, when no snow at all had fallen. They can&#039;t get the weather that&#039;s already happened correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, they provide AN HOUR BY HOUR PREDICTION. And I&#8217;m sick and tired of people claiming they don&#8217;t profess to be accurate. They speak in absolute statements, and never retract their mistakes, which are most of the things they say. The Met Office boasts their accuracy readily, and the data is never, ever presented as a &#8220;best guess&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do you think weather reports only exist as a small picture on the back of a newspaper?</p>
<p>And no, they predicted very bad snow, the worst ever. The snow arrived about 200m to the East, 12 hours later, and that which reached Bath was mild. So no, nothing they said was correct. I predict it will rain one day in the future. Am I a weatherman now?</p>
<p>Re the quote that confuses you. The Met Office&#8217;s information explained that heavy snow had been falling for two hours in the past, when no snow at all had fallen. They can&#8217;t get the weather that&#8217;s already happened correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know a few will say, “See, your complaints were invalid. It did snow.” My complaints were valid. The weather we saw was so far removed from the weather predicted...&quot;

You seem to be the only person in the country who believes the weather forecast is an exact hour-by-hour prediction of exactly what will happen. It&#039;s no wonder you&#039;re so cross. It&#039;s a way of presenting a best guess, it&#039;s there or thereabouts.

Men predict bad snow. Bad snow come. Including - all importantly - on your house. But you want your money back because it&#039;s late and not enough?

Why not go the whole way and become these guys?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jan/06/cold-snap-climate-sceptics

&quot;and even the Met Office were telling me about the heavy snow that had been falling on my head for two hours, long before it happened.&quot;

Uh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know a few will say, “See, your complaints were invalid. It did snow.” My complaints were valid. The weather we saw was so far removed from the weather predicted&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You seem to be the only person in the country who believes the weather forecast is an exact hour-by-hour prediction of exactly what will happen. It&#8217;s no wonder you&#8217;re so cross. It&#8217;s a way of presenting a best guess, it&#8217;s there or thereabouts.</p>
<p>Men predict bad snow. Bad snow come. Including &#8211; all importantly &#8211; on your house. But you want your money back because it&#8217;s late and not enough?</p>
<p>Why not go the whole way and become these guys?<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jan/06/cold-snap-climate-sceptics" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jan/06/cold-snap-climate-sceptics</a></p>
<p>&#8220;and even the Met Office were telling me about the heavy snow that had been falling on my head for two hours, long before it happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh?</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to that map you posted yesterday, I think you&#039;ll agree that Southampton was not predicted to receive any snow. As unbelievable as it is, Southampton received a lot of snow. +1 for John Walker vs. The Weather People.

Also as of yesterday you have two RSS feeds for your blog, one through feedburner and one from the site directly. I don&#039;t have a point I just thought I&#039;d bring it to your attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to that map you posted yesterday, I think you&#8217;ll agree that Southampton was not predicted to receive any snow. As unbelievable as it is, Southampton received a lot of snow. +1 for John Walker vs. The Weather People.</p>
<p>Also as of yesterday you have two RSS feeds for your blog, one through feedburner and one from the site directly. I don&#8217;t have a point I just thought I&#8217;d bring it to your attention.</p>
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