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	<title>Comments on: Libel Tourism, And Why Speech Is Not Free</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/20/libel-tourism-and-why-speech-is-not-free/comment-page-1/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be so hard on the foundation of our libel laws. They come from a time when if I were to accuse you, right now, of being a gadfly, it would be beholdent on me to demonstrate that vile slur, or be forced to retract it.

If you think about it, there was nothing topsy turvy about the burden of proof there, it really is innocent until proven guilty. Though it doesn&#039;t sound like it, it&#039;s honour and journalistic standards. Free speech, though, it isn&#039;t.

The courts can be blamed for allowing too much to be libellous (it seems to me that Singh&#039;s accusation of trading knowingly bogusly - which surely was indeed what Singh was saying - should not be libelous, maybe).

But mostly, it seems like a law conceived in a different time before the Carter Rucks got hold of it all. To sort that, as Monbiot says, we need politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be so hard on the foundation of our libel laws. They come from a time when if I were to accuse you, right now, of being a gadfly, it would be beholdent on me to demonstrate that vile slur, or be forced to retract it.</p>
<p>If you think about it, there was nothing topsy turvy about the burden of proof there, it really is innocent until proven guilty. Though it doesn&#8217;t sound like it, it&#8217;s honour and journalistic standards. Free speech, though, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The courts can be blamed for allowing too much to be libellous (it seems to me that Singh&#8217;s accusation of trading knowingly bogusly &#8211; which surely was indeed what Singh was saying &#8211; should not be libelous, maybe).</p>
<p>But mostly, it seems like a law conceived in a different time before the Carter Rucks got hold of it all. To sort that, as Monbiot says, we need politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;they charge about twice as much for an eighth of the bandwidth (and a worse specced box) as others&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

That really isn&#039;t true, but this is not the forum in which to discuss marketing. I will say that others do tell lies about what you *actually* get for your money, in order to nab the sale (and then send you little invoices throughout the year for those &quot;little extras&quot;). We have enough people migrating to us with such tales to know it&#039;s almost the norm elsewhere! As for the box spec is actually pretty negotiable. It&#039;s hardly the hardware that costs...

Next time you want to host something, get in touch. We&#039;ll do you a better deal than the rubbish out there. We won&#039;t be the cheapest, because we don&#039;t scrabble in the bargain bin (it&#039;s quite nice to be able to pay staff who know wtf they&#039;re on about, for a start).

From Nick (of Positive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;they charge about twice as much for an eighth of the bandwidth (and a worse specced box) as others&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>That really isn&#8217;t true, but this is not the forum in which to discuss marketing. I will say that others do tell lies about what you *actually* get for your money, in order to nab the sale (and then send you little invoices throughout the year for those &#8220;little extras&#8221;). We have enough people migrating to us with such tales to know it&#8217;s almost the norm elsewhere! As for the box spec is actually pretty negotiable. It&#8217;s hardly the hardware that costs&#8230;</p>
<p>Next time you want to host something, get in touch. We&#8217;ll do you a better deal than the rubbish out there. We won&#8217;t be the cheapest, because we don&#8217;t scrabble in the bargain bin (it&#8217;s quite nice to be able to pay staff who know wtf they&#8217;re on about, for a start).</p>
<p>From Nick (of Positive).</p>
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		<title>By: frymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>frymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while I agree positive appear to have really good customer service, it has to be said that for the prices they charge, they bloody well ought to.  My friends and me looked into them when we were scouting around for a general-purpose dedicated server (web, email, VPN service, game servers, voice comms and a few other things) and they charge about twice as much for an eighth of the bandwidth (and a worse specced box) as others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while I agree positive appear to have really good customer service, it has to be said that for the prices they charge, they bloody well ought to.  My friends and me looked into them when we were scouting around for a general-purpose dedicated server (web, email, VPN service, game servers, voice comms and a few other things) and they charge about twice as much for an eighth of the bandwidth (and a worse specced box) as others</p>
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		<title>By: Jazmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always say &quot;allegedly&quot; a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always say &#8220;allegedly&#8221; a lot.</p>
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