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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6147</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I was using &#039;left&#039; as short-hand for liberal... be interested to here your thoughts on the anti-war marches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I was using &#8216;left&#8217; as short-hand for liberal&#8230; be interested to here your thoughts on the anti-war marches.</p>
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		<title>By: One Man and His Blog</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6103</link>
		<dc:creator>One Man and His Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Twitter, News and Mob Journalism...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Trafigura story from last week has grown and grown, if only because of the follow-up, which I was too busy to blog about, in which Jan Moir&#039;s piece in the Daily Mail was savaged across Twitter to remarkable effect.......</description>
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<p>The Trafigura story from last week has grown and grown, if only because of the follow-up, which I was too busy to blog about, in which Jan Moir&#8217;s piece in the Daily Mail was savaged across Twitter to remarkable effect&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blissett &quot;...the most potent political activism in this country right now is coming from the Left (the contrast with the US couldn’t be clearer). We could be just months away from a change of Government and the return of the right-wing to power after a long time in the wilderness...&quot;

&#039;liberal&#039; doesn&#039;t necessarily mean &#039;left&#039; (in the typical tax-and-spend sense) and the impending replacement of Labour by Conservative isn&#039;t necessarily a &#039;shift to the right&#039;: it&#039;s the replacement of one &#039;centre&#039; by another &#039;centre&#039;, mainly because people have got sick of the last lot, not due to any large political shift. Also the actual &#039;swing&#039; could well simply amount to a couple of million voters not bothering to turn up and vote. A lot of topical issues don&#039;t break down easily into &#039;left-versus-right&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blissett &#8220;&#8230;the most potent political activism in this country right now is coming from the Left (the contrast with the US couldn’t be clearer). We could be just months away from a change of Government and the return of the right-wing to power after a long time in the wilderness&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;liberal&#8217; doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean &#8216;left&#8217; (in the typical tax-and-spend sense) and the impending replacement of Labour by Conservative isn&#8217;t necessarily a &#8217;shift to the right&#8217;: it&#8217;s the replacement of one &#8216;centre&#8217; by another &#8216;centre&#8217;, mainly because people have got sick of the last lot, not due to any large political shift. Also the actual &#8217;swing&#8217; could well simply amount to a couple of million voters not bothering to turn up and vote. A lot of topical issues don&#8217;t break down easily into &#8216;left-versus-right&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6098</link>
		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s really important not to view this as a left/right thing. Never mind that I&#039;m no longer sure those terms have meaning, but I&#039;d suggest most Conservatives were outraged by Moir&#039;s column. To be right-wing is not to be homophobic. That&#039;s a preposterous position. Ask the vast numbers of gay Tories, for a start.

It&#039;s about a liberal/illiberal divide. What&#039;s so interesting is watching the liberals adopt the tactics of the illiberals. That might not be a bad thing - as I say above, the illiberals get shit done. Crazy awful shit, but it gets done.

I&#039;m just wanting this adoption to be noticed, and kept in check. Will there come a point where we start setting up binary polls demanding that people vote to agree that foreign people shouldn&#039;t be rounded up and shot in the face?

There&#039;s a second half to this whole conversation about the anti-war marches a few years ago, and what a hideous, HIDEOUS mess that was, with people marching against a war under seas of anti-Semitic signs and banners. But that&#039;s for another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s really important not to view this as a left/right thing. Never mind that I&#8217;m no longer sure those terms have meaning, but I&#8217;d suggest most Conservatives were outraged by Moir&#8217;s column. To be right-wing is not to be homophobic. That&#8217;s a preposterous position. Ask the vast numbers of gay Tories, for a start.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about a liberal/illiberal divide. What&#8217;s so interesting is watching the liberals adopt the tactics of the illiberals. That might not be a bad thing &#8211; as I say above, the illiberals get shit done. Crazy awful shit, but it gets done.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just wanting this adoption to be noticed, and kept in check. Will there come a point where we start setting up binary polls demanding that people vote to agree that foreign people shouldn&#8217;t be rounded up and shot in the face?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a second half to this whole conversation about the anti-war marches a few years ago, and what a hideous, HIDEOUS mess that was, with people marching against a war under seas of anti-Semitic signs and banners. But that&#8217;s for another time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s something interesting going on here. Because the left have always been strong online, look at the likes of communities like No2ID etc. But the thing with Twitter is that, right now, journos and other media types are utterly enamored with it. Had this same thing happened exclusively on Facebook or Myspace, then one or two news outlets might have picked it up as in interesting curio.

But with Twitter, it&#039;s so beloved by the media types that an outraged reaction there is given a disproportionate amount of significance. It&#039;s brilliant, but I fear it won&#039;t last once the Twitter fad passes and the next big social networking tool is less conducive to this sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s something interesting going on here. Because the left have always been strong online, look at the likes of communities like No2ID etc. But the thing with Twitter is that, right now, journos and other media types are utterly enamored with it. Had this same thing happened exclusively on Facebook or Myspace, then one or two news outlets might have picked it up as in interesting curio.</p>
<p>But with Twitter, it&#8217;s so beloved by the media types that an outraged reaction there is given a disproportionate amount of significance. It&#8217;s brilliant, but I fear it won&#8217;t last once the Twitter fad passes and the next big social networking tool is less conducive to this sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sunday Papers &#124; Rock, Paper, Shotgun</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6096</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sunday Papers &#124; Rock, Paper, Shotgun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Moir&#8217;s Guardian column is well worth reading. Away from that though, our own John Walker is a little disturbed by the whole thing in a subtly different way. I&#8217;m still thinking about what I make of his position, to be honest. I&#8217;m not entirely [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Moir&#8217;s Guardian column is well worth reading. Away from that though, our own John Walker is a little disturbed by the whole thing in a subtly different way. I&#8217;m still thinking about what I make of his position, to be honest. I&#8217;m not entirely [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Freudian Trip</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Freudian Trip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To use a newspaper trick and randomly quote twitter; @danielmaier: Twitter = wonderful liberal weapon but sometimes I think its logo should be a pitchfork silhouetted by flaming torchlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To use a newspaper trick and randomly quote twitter; @danielmaier: Twitter = wonderful liberal weapon but sometimes I think its logo should be a pitchfork silhouetted by flaming torchlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissett</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6094</link>
		<dc:creator>Blissett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good post John, covering many of the questions and concerns that were going through my head yesterday.

I think the two most interesting questions looking to the future of Twitter activism are:

a) Is there a significant but currently dormant right-wing minority on Twitter just waiting for their own issue to galvanise around? If so, what kind of issue might light the fuse and how will the existing Liberal majority respond? If not, how long will it take for the right-wing to &quot;get&quot; and co-opt the power of Twitter.

b) All the wonderful examples of Twitter activism in recent months have been very simplistic, black or white issues for anyone of even a vaguely leftist bent. What will happen when a more complex topic arises and a plurality of opinions are fighting for trend space? Will Twitter prove to be so powerful then, or will it turn out to be no more than a very blunt instrument?

Oh, one final thought. It seems interesting to me that the most potent political activism in this country right now is coming from the Left (the contrast with the US couldn&#039;t be clearer). We could be just months away from a change of Government and the return of the right-wing to power after a long time in the wilderness. Twitter could be maturing as a campaigning platform just at the point that it&#039;s seemingly natural constituency moves into opposition. It&#039;ll be interesting to see how it&#039;s use changes during that transition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good post John, covering many of the questions and concerns that were going through my head yesterday.</p>
<p>I think the two most interesting questions looking to the future of Twitter activism are:</p>
<p>a) Is there a significant but currently dormant right-wing minority on Twitter just waiting for their own issue to galvanise around? If so, what kind of issue might light the fuse and how will the existing Liberal majority respond? If not, how long will it take for the right-wing to &#8220;get&#8221; and co-opt the power of Twitter.</p>
<p>b) All the wonderful examples of Twitter activism in recent months have been very simplistic, black or white issues for anyone of even a vaguely leftist bent. What will happen when a more complex topic arises and a plurality of opinions are fighting for trend space? Will Twitter prove to be so powerful then, or will it turn out to be no more than a very blunt instrument?</p>
<p>Oh, one final thought. It seems interesting to me that the most potent political activism in this country right now is coming from the Left (the contrast with the US couldn&#8217;t be clearer). We could be just months away from a change of Government and the return of the right-wing to power after a long time in the wilderness. Twitter could be maturing as a campaigning platform just at the point that it&#8217;s seemingly natural constituency moves into opposition. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how it&#8217;s use changes during that transition.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walker</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>John Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should institute this. Celebrities, by law, must have appropriately attention-deserving demises. And if they don&#039;t, we get to put their corpse in a helicopter and fly it into a mountain, and pretend that&#039;s how they really died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should institute this. Celebrities, by law, must have appropriately attention-deserving demises. And if they don&#8217;t, we get to put their corpse in a helicopter and fly it into a mountain, and pretend that&#8217;s how they really died.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Morgan</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2009/10/16/twitter-the-daily-mail-and-the-liberal-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and as with Princess Diana, the press and much of the public can&#039;t process the random accidental death of a celebrity. A celebrity must have a death commensurate with their celebrity. Not just some bad chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and as with Princess Diana, the press and much of the public can&#8217;t process the random accidental death of a celebrity. A celebrity must have a death commensurate with their celebrity. Not just some bad chance.</p>
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