Comments on: Too Many Words On Derren Brown & Crippling The Nation http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/ John Walker's Electronic House Mon, 21 May 2012 08:13:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: John Walker http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-6050 John Walker Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:21:13 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-6050 My theory is: anyone who can not see a problem with this programmes is either a) a sociopath, b) a sympathiser, or c) hasn't bothered to think about it. You've hit b. Although ironically enough, you might be interested to buy Brown's book and read his debunking of NLP, since it doesn't exist. My theory is: anyone who can not see a problem with this programmes is either a) a sociopath, b) a sympathiser, or c) hasn’t bothered to think about it.

You’ve hit b. Although ironically enough, you might be interested to buy Brown’s book and read his debunking of NLP, since it doesn’t exist.

]]> By: graham http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-6049 graham Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:01:38 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-6049 think alot of people on this thread are definetly taking things to seriously, db is a showman and he tells us that he is going to mess with our heads, does it really matter what he is using or if its magic or not. its entertaining, its fun to watch and for someone like myself who is very interested in nlp i find it extremely interesting and fun to watch which i thought was the point of entertainment tv. think alot of people on this thread are definetly taking things to seriously, db is a showman and he tells us that he is going to mess with our heads, does it really matter what he is using or if its magic or not. its entertaining, its fun to watch and for someone like myself who is very interested in nlp i find it extremely interesting and fun to watch which i thought was the point of entertainment tv.

]]> By: Blackberries http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-6012 Blackberries Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:22:46 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-6012 OK, reading what his plans are for Friday it seems that he must be leading to a reveal. There's no way he could genuinely peddle this without being an -enormous- hypocrite. But like SuperNashwan said, I'm not sure what his point will be exactly. To point out and laugh at people who believed him when he came on TV and claimed to be telling the truth? "Pwaha! Twats! You actually trusted me you idiots? Oh man." There's little to be gained from that, even if he is trying to urge people to be wary when charlatans make spurious claims. I suppose one could argue that by doing these nonsense programmes he's generating more interest than if he did a straight out highlighting-tricksters documentary - and perhaps attracting the very people likely to fall prey to such things. But I think he risks coming off as a bit of a prick and alienating people. This is, of course, all relying on him pulling out a reveal in the last show. He might just be a prat. OK, reading what his plans are for Friday it seems that he must be leading to a reveal. There’s no way he could genuinely peddle this without being an -enormous- hypocrite.

But like SuperNashwan said, I’m not sure what his point will be exactly. To point out and laugh at people who believed him when he came on TV and claimed to be telling the truth? “Pwaha! Twats! You actually trusted me you idiots? Oh man.” There’s little to be gained from that, even if he is trying to urge people to be wary when charlatans make spurious claims.

I suppose one could argue that by doing these nonsense programmes he’s generating more interest than if he did a straight out highlighting-tricksters documentary – and perhaps attracting the very people likely to fall prey to such things. But I think he risks coming off as a bit of a prick and alienating people.

This is, of course, all relying on him pulling out a reveal in the last show. He might just be a prat.

]]> By: cullnean http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5987 cullnean Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:23:47 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5987 ok im a no writer but Remember back when you were a kid watching the likes of Paul Daniels and David Copperfield, and the sense of wonderment as they did cool “trick’s”. Then as you get older you learn a few card tricks and what have you and you start when ever you see a magician or illusionist looking for the gaps and the sleight of hand and all you look for is how the trick was done. I have gotten over that now and try to take it for what it is entertainment If there’s a big reveal ill be happy, if there isn’t ill still be happy because ive been entertained. One thing that annoys slightly is this remote viewing lark, the format will be the same and the outcome as well. Ill end on something nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pneouSD_ACI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xbUsTigK8&feature=related sorry for the dismissive post ok

im a no writer but

Remember back when you were a kid watching the likes of Paul Daniels and David Copperfield, and the sense of wonderment as they did cool “trick’s”.

Then as you get older you learn a few card tricks and what have you and you start when ever you see a magician or illusionist looking for the gaps and the sleight of hand and all you look for is how the trick was done.

I have gotten over that now and try to take it for what it is entertainment

If there’s a big reveal ill be happy, if there isn’t ill still be happy because ive been entertained.

One thing that annoys slightly is this remote viewing lark, the format will be the same and the outcome as well.

Ill end on something nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pneouSD_ACI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xbUsTigK8&feature=related

sorry for the dismissive post

]]> By: John Walker http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5986 John Walker Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:39:43 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5986 cullnean - we're having a slightly more complex discussion than can be dismissed by "lol, its only tv". Please either participate, or just ignore it. I suggest the latter. cullnean – we’re having a slightly more complex discussion than can be dismissed by “lol, its only tv”. Please either participate, or just ignore it. I suggest the latter.

]]> By: cullnean http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5984 cullnean Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:01:32 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5984 lol, its only tv fellas, its not like his claiming theres a god or anything mental like that. lol, its only tv fellas, its not like his claiming theres a god or anything mental like that.

]]> By: SuperNashwan http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5975 SuperNashwan Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:04:59 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5975 If there *is* a big reveal of "it was all a trick to demonstrate this nonsense" then a lot of people are going to be insufferably smug about pointing out the stupefyingly obvious. On the other hand, if there isn't a payoff at the end where reason is reasserted then Derren's tv career has well and truly run its course. I think he might be setting himself up to fail either way, I can't see the series ending in a satisfying way. If there *is* a big reveal of “it was all a trick to demonstrate this nonsense” then a lot of people are going to be insufferably smug about pointing out the stupefyingly obvious. On the other hand, if there isn’t a payoff at the end where reason is reasserted then Derren’s tv career has well and truly run its course. I think he might be setting himself up to fail either way, I can’t see the series ending in a satisfying way.

]]> By: John Walker http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5971 John Walker Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:36:22 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5971 Looking at the plan for this Friday, it seems increasingly hard to believe he's not aiming for something. Because otherwise, brrrrrrrr. He's going to do a "is the nation psychic" experiment, and hilariously he's going to base this on a phone-in too. His angle is to say that he doesn't believe in psychic powers, but presumably is using this to put his audience further off-guard. So, if his aim is to leave people thinking that they or he is psychic then we're back to his either being about to do a giant reveal in the end, or his having become beyond wretched. Looking at the plan for this Friday, it seems increasingly hard to believe he’s not aiming for something. Because otherwise, brrrrrrrr.

He’s going to do a “is the nation psychic” experiment, and hilariously he’s going to base this on a phone-in too. His angle is to say that he doesn’t believe in psychic powers, but presumably is using this to put his audience further off-guard. So, if his aim is to leave people thinking that they or he is psychic then we’re back to his either being about to do a giant reveal in the end, or his having become beyond wretched.

]]> By: Leperous http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5970 Leperous Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:02:35 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5970 Re. the homeless bit - I'd be willing to bet my own shoes that he did this through having a fully visible camera crew, and thus simply relied on people trying to look good for TV. I'm still hoping he's going to fess up at the end. He'll surely be aware of the mass-criticism he's receiving, and it can only hurt him professionally if he maintains all of these pseudo-scientific pretenses (he can already fill his stage shows without doing this TV series). "I was really leading you all on look how easy it is HA HA HA." Re. the homeless bit – I’d be willing to bet my own shoes that he did this through having a fully visible camera crew, and thus simply relied on people trying to look good for TV.

I’m still hoping he’s going to fess up at the end. He’ll surely be aware of the mass-criticism he’s receiving, and it can only hurt him professionally if he maintains all of these pseudo-scientific pretenses (he can already fill his stage shows without doing this TV series). “I was really leading you all on look how easy it is HA HA HA.”

]]> By: Rosti http://botherer.org/2009/09/18/too-many-words-on-derren-brown-crippling-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5969 Rosti Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:27:08 +0000 http://botherer.org/?p=1393#comment-5969 If this is a build up to a capstone program exposing the sillyness of these illusions, I can see why Derren chose this format. It's quite hard to convince people to tune in willingly each week if you want to spend 40 minutes tricking them then 20 minutes pointing out why they were fools to be fooled. Plus, it's easier to pad out than an hour of "here's a bag of tricks I could play on you!". This isn't necessarily a good thing for viewers, mind. If this is a build up to a capstone program exposing the sillyness of these illusions, I can see why Derren chose this format. It’s quite hard to convince people to tune in willingly each week if you want to spend 40 minutes tricking them then 20 minutes pointing out why they were fools to be fooled.

Plus, it’s easier to pad out than an hour of “here’s a bag of tricks I could play on you!”. This isn’t necessarily a good thing for viewers, mind.

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