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		<title>By: Preoccupations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preoccupations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 18:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stephen Colbert, satirist supreme&lt;/strong&gt;

I remember Ian Hislop once saying how he had tried to take a satirical programme (a version of Spitting Image?) to the States, only to be met with disbelief: &#039;You mean you want to make fun of the President?&#039;. Which</description>
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<p>I remember Ian Hislop once saying how he had tried to take a satirical programme (a version of Spitting Image?) to the States, only to be met with disbelief: &#8216;You mean you want to make fun of the President?&#8217;. Which</p>
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		<title>By: Rossignol &#187; Aircraft Carriers and Rubble and Recently Flooded City Squares</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2006/05/02/the-colbert-rapport/comment-page-1/#comment-2914</link>
		<dc:creator>Rossignol &#187; Aircraft Carriers and Rubble and Recently Flooded City Squares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 11:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Most of you will have read this already, but for those of you who skipped it because it looked like a lot of words, or simply don&#8217;t read Walker&#8217;s blog, take the time to read his report on Stephen Colbert&#8217;s speech at the annual White House Correspondent&#8217;s Dinner. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Most of you will have read this already, but for those of you who skipped it because it looked like a lot of words, or simply don&#8217;t read Walker&#8217;s blog, take the time to read his report on Stephen Colbert&#8217;s speech at the annual White House Correspondent&#8217;s Dinner. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2006/05/02/the-colbert-rapport/comment-page-1/#comment-2913</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;What’s interesting and important is that it went *unreported*. It was as if it never happened, his appearance at the evening an after-thought, if mentioned at all...don’t lose sight of the media silence on a speech that so heavily attacked media silence.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

No, that&#039;s a good point, and one worth making as loudly as anyone wants.

I guess I did get a bit caught up today in attacking the idiocy spouted by what is probably a  minority of morons and woolly thinkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;What’s interesting and important is that it went *unreported*. It was as if it never happened, his appearance at the evening an after-thought, if mentioned at all&#8230;don’t lose sight of the media silence on a speech that so heavily attacked media silence.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s a good point, and one worth making as loudly as anyone wants.</p>
<p>I guess I did get a bit caught up today in attacking the idiocy spouted by what is probably a  minority of morons and woolly thinkers.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2006/05/02/the-colbert-rapport/comment-page-1/#comment-2912</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have no idea why this has become about whether he&#039;s single-handedly brought down the Bush administration. A few idiots make some overblown comments on a forum? Er. Did we start listening to that?

What&#039;s interesting and important is that it went *unreported*. It was as if it never happened, his appearance at the evening an after-thought, if mentioned at all. I&#039;ve heard a rumour that C-SPAN repeated it with the Colbert speech removed, although that&#039;s unconfirmed.

Who cares if some morons spout hyperbole? We ignore them as we always do. But don&#039;t lose sight of the media silence on a speech that so heavily attacked media silence.

Jon Stewart had some nice comments on Monday&#039;s Daily Show. He finished saying, &quot;Stephen, we&#039;ve never been more proud of you buddy.&quot; Then pointed at the camera, hesitated for two beats, and added, &quot;Holy shit.&quot;

In Colbert&#039;s own programme, after boasting (in character) of how he had enraptured the audience, he showed a clip of the speech - the Hindenberg gag - to which they&#039;d edited shots of the audience staring blank-faced, with crickets chirping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have no idea why this has become about whether he&#8217;s single-handedly brought down the Bush administration. A few idiots make some overblown comments on a forum? Er. Did we start listening to that?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting and important is that it went *unreported*. It was as if it never happened, his appearance at the evening an after-thought, if mentioned at all. I&#8217;ve heard a rumour that C-SPAN repeated it with the Colbert speech removed, although that&#8217;s unconfirmed.</p>
<p>Who cares if some morons spout hyperbole? We ignore them as we always do. But don&#8217;t lose sight of the media silence on a speech that so heavily attacked media silence.</p>
<p>Jon Stewart had some nice comments on Monday&#8217;s Daily Show. He finished saying, &#8220;Stephen, we&#8217;ve never been more proud of you buddy.&#8221; Then pointed at the camera, hesitated for two beats, and added, &#8220;Holy shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Colbert&#8217;s own programme, after boasting (in character) of how he had enraptured the audience, he showed a clip of the speech &#8211; the Hindenberg gag &#8211; to which they&#8217;d edited shots of the audience staring blank-faced, with crickets chirping.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but there are always idiots who overreact to anything - you seemed to be letting that reflect on the original performance, which seems odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but there are always idiots who overreact to anything &#8211; you seemed to be letting that reflect on the original performance, which seems odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole occasion seems extraordinary to me. I haven&#039;t seen the Bush double act, but I assume they thought they could get something favourable out of it, such as an impression that Bush could be funny, meek instead of arrogant, able to listen to criticism. Otherwise why do it?

And Colbert - I suppose it could have been a trap that backfired. They were surely aware of who he was before hiring him. They knew what he&#039;d like to say, but thought he wouldn&#039;t have the nerve with the president a few feet away - that he&#039;d be awed by all the power in the room. And if he makes a mild mannered speech that they can spin to seem supportive then all his power as a satirist has been swiped from him. Besides, should the plan backfire, and he does what he actually did, it&#039;s ok because the news everyone reads and watches won&#039;t print it or show it anyway. Sure a few bloggers get het up, but they have very little power to do anything - and next minute they&#039;ll be discussing Tomb Raider with just as much passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole occasion seems extraordinary to me. I haven&#8217;t seen the Bush double act, but I assume they thought they could get something favourable out of it, such as an impression that Bush could be funny, meek instead of arrogant, able to listen to criticism. Otherwise why do it?</p>
<p>And Colbert &#8211; I suppose it could have been a trap that backfired. They were surely aware of who he was before hiring him. They knew what he&#8217;d like to say, but thought he wouldn&#8217;t have the nerve with the president a few feet away &#8211; that he&#8217;d be awed by all the power in the room. And if he makes a mild mannered speech that they can spin to seem supportive then all his power as a satirist has been swiped from him. Besides, should the plan backfire, and he does what he actually did, it&#8217;s ok because the news everyone reads and watches won&#8217;t print it or show it anyway. Sure a few bloggers get het up, but they have very little power to do anything &#8211; and next minute they&#8217;ll be discussing Tomb Raider with just as much passion.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 15:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you&#039;ve just said. It doesn&#039;t stop some of the reaction to it being completely overboard. I’ll admit a certain ignorance when it comes to political satire in the US, though it seems to me that they’re usually better at it than in the UK.

It was funny (for the most part; some of it was rambling), it was scathing, it was even brave to do it while Bush was almost within touching distance. What it wasn&#039;t was something which will change things in any shape, way or form. That&#039;s fine; there&#039;s a lot to be said for standing up and doing the right thing whether it will have a positive effect or not, and my problem isn&#039;t with Colbert or what he said. It is solely with the moronic reaction of some of the comment. Can you really defend with a straight face some of stuff on the http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/ site and in the comments at Daily Kos?

And while Colbert has done what many a decent lefty has long dreamed of doing (sitting Bush down and telling him exactly what one thinks of him, the adminstration and the affiliated media), I find it difficult to believe that it&#039;s anything Bush wasn&#039;t aware of before.

Was it a big deal? For Colbert, even for political satire and criticism in the US, yes. In the long run, probably not. There&#039;s a lot of hope attached to this, and some people are going to be very disappointed when this disappears. Does that stink? Of course it does, and maybe I&#039;m being too much of a curmudgeon about it, but I just don&#039;t want to see people latching onto unfair expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you&#8217;ve just said. It doesn&#8217;t stop some of the reaction to it being completely overboard. I’ll admit a certain ignorance when it comes to political satire in the US, though it seems to me that they’re usually better at it than in the UK.</p>
<p>It was funny (for the most part; some of it was rambling), it was scathing, it was even brave to do it while Bush was almost within touching distance. What it wasn&#8217;t was something which will change things in any shape, way or form. That&#8217;s fine; there&#8217;s a lot to be said for standing up and doing the right thing whether it will have a positive effect or not, and my problem isn&#8217;t with Colbert or what he said. It is solely with the moronic reaction of some of the comment. Can you really defend with a straight face some of stuff on the <a href="http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/" rel="nofollow">http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/</a> site and in the comments at Daily Kos?</p>
<p>And while Colbert has done what many a decent lefty has long dreamed of doing (sitting Bush down and telling him exactly what one thinks of him, the adminstration and the affiliated media), I find it difficult to believe that it&#8217;s anything Bush wasn&#8217;t aware of before.</p>
<p>Was it a big deal? For Colbert, even for political satire and criticism in the US, yes. In the long run, probably not. There&#8217;s a lot of hope attached to this, and some people are going to be very disappointed when this disappears. Does that stink? Of course it does, and maybe I&#8217;m being too much of a curmudgeon about it, but I just don&#8217;t want to see people latching onto unfair expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you&#039;re not doing your hermeneutics.

If you stood up at an Iranian presidential dinner and did the most mild political jokes in the history of existence, it would be one hell of a move. If you said them about Blair, you&#039;d look more pathetic than the bastard offspring of Rory Bremner and Hugh Dennis.

What Colbert did was a *big deal*, and failing to recognise this is failing to take any notice of the culture in which it happened. YES, if you said that about Blair at a UK conference it wouldn&#039;t be that huge, but that isn&#039;t what happened, and it isn&#039;t where it happened. No one&#039;s ever done that before. And yes, that&#039;s not good enough, and yes, that&#039;s indicative of an inherent poverty, but it&#039;s still the case. And he still did it. And he deserves credit for that, and the reaction is understandable.

There&#039;s a deep oppression of a political voice occuring in the US, and when it gets through it&#039;s shocking and affecting. Going, &quot;Blah blah, he only said a few rude things,&quot; is daft. He said things to the *President of the United States* that no one&#039;s said before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you&#8217;re not doing your hermeneutics.</p>
<p>If you stood up at an Iranian presidential dinner and did the most mild political jokes in the history of existence, it would be one hell of a move. If you said them about Blair, you&#8217;d look more pathetic than the bastard offspring of Rory Bremner and Hugh Dennis.</p>
<p>What Colbert did was a *big deal*, and failing to recognise this is failing to take any notice of the culture in which it happened. YES, if you said that about Blair at a UK conference it wouldn&#8217;t be that huge, but that isn&#8217;t what happened, and it isn&#8217;t where it happened. No one&#8217;s ever done that before. And yes, that&#8217;s not good enough, and yes, that&#8217;s indicative of an inherent poverty, but it&#8217;s still the case. And he still did it. And he deserves credit for that, and the reaction is understandable.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a deep oppression of a political voice occuring in the US, and when it gets through it&#8217;s shocking and affecting. Going, &#8220;Blah blah, he only said a few rude things,&#8221; is daft. He said things to the *President of the United States* that no one&#8217;s said before.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W</title>
		<link>http://botherer.org/2006/05/02/the-colbert-rapport/comment-page-1/#comment-2907</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That we&#039;re even having to debate whether Colbert can be favourably compared to Morrow is staggering to me. And that&#039;s leaving aside the fact that most of these people seem to have got their information about Morrow, McCarthy and the communist witch-hunts solely from one bloody film, the viewing of which they seem to think makes them the supreme upholders of truth, justice and liberty.

It&#039;s as if Colbert has single-handedly brought about the downfall of the entire Bush adminstration for some of these idiots, when &lt;em&gt;in the real world&lt;/em&gt;, if anyone is pausing for consideration at all, it&#039;s to shrug and move on.

Of course the reaction is understandable; it doesn&#039;t stop it being utterly devoid of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That we&#8217;re even having to debate whether Colbert can be favourably compared to Morrow is staggering to me. And that&#8217;s leaving aside the fact that most of these people seem to have got their information about Morrow, McCarthy and the communist witch-hunts solely from one bloody film, the viewing of which they seem to think makes them the supreme upholders of truth, justice and liberty.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if Colbert has single-handedly brought about the downfall of the entire Bush adminstration for some of these idiots, when <em>in the real world</em>, if anyone is pausing for consideration at all, it&#8217;s to shrug and move on.</p>
<p>Of course the reaction is understandable; it doesn&#8217;t stop it being utterly devoid of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Colbert speech isn&#039;t going to break the back of anything - Bush has survived worse, and will continue to exist till the end his term. But considered in the context of the American media, it&#039;s not hard to understand why the blogosphere is reacing how they are.

Colbert isn&#039;t Murrow, but he&#039;s kept his balls in a situation where pretty much everyone else has lost them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Colbert speech isn&#8217;t going to break the back of anything &#8211; Bush has survived worse, and will continue to exist till the end his term. But considered in the context of the American media, it&#8217;s not hard to understand why the blogosphere is reacing how they are.</p>
<p>Colbert isn&#8217;t Murrow, but he&#8217;s kept his balls in a situation where pretty much everyone else has lost them.</p>
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